-It seems that the assurances that went along with July 6th
consensus (i.e. the legal consultation and records being left in
the DC office, Stephen Principles' not ruling the Texas office,
Little White Owl's orientation period, the financing of mailings,
media follow thru, etc.) are not being/going to be met.
* Forrest: This will not be the main challenge spot: future
gatherings will be.
*Water-never brought in front of main council; therefore not a
binding consensus. Proposed the following consensus: Since the
consensus made by the Legaliason Council in Alabama July 6.,1993
was never brought up in front of main council, it is merely a
recommendation from a subcouncil to shift the office and is not
therefore binding. And as a Legaliason Council happening in
Washington DC Aug 3, 1993, it is our responsibility to listen to
these recommendations, but more it is our responsibility to
figure out what needs to be done and plan how to go about doing
it regarding Legaliason.
*Kashira-As a member of Legaliason, as well as of rainbow, feels
that we need to do a Legaliason outreach- find people in each
region who want to be represented, mailed info to them or From
them from this office & to office. Need to be sure each person/gp
trusted with info should be aware of how much work is involved w/
legaliason work, & that they and others are sure that they can be
responsible for this very important aspect of Rainbow Family
business. Consensus /prior knowledge is needed of who these
people are and what they are doing first. Orientation in DC
should be required first.
* Thomas read Declaration of Understanding that described the
responsibilities of anybody who would perform Legaliason work.
Emphasized that, like Shanti Sena, everybody is Legaliason.
* Little White Owl met w/ TC, Thomas yesterday. She doesn't feel
she can speak alone for the Texas Family, and so she called them
It is E. Texas Family's understanding/desire to 100% work in
cooperation with the Legaliason office in DC, since vital
components of Legaliason are in DC.
BUT, wants to help downgrade the DC Crew's workload to help them
keep their other projects going.
AND wants copies of other relevant records.
SO: In summary, she wants it to be clear that the E. Texas
Family doesn't want anyone to feel that Texas is trying to
manipulate a change- This is not their private agenda.
Hopes that this will be a cooperative effort WANTS TO be (AND HAVE EVERYBODY ELSE BE) REAL CLEAR ABOUT
RESPONSIBILITIES AND expectations OF EACH OFFICE.
*(Wants E. Texas Family (after her orientations) to know who's
responsible for what, wants open, close communication to avoid
overlap, redoing same thing, A lawsuit will be filed in 5th Fed
district in E. Texas. Might be a good place to start a lawsuit.
Not sure if Judge Justice sits in Texas,
*Chicken"s perspective was that this consensus was not at all
about Judge Justice's influence/past help, it was Carla's
insistence that Thomas & DC folks were on a power trip, empire
*Mateo asks that E. Texas office rescind Carla's letter sent to
FS saying that LL office being changed from DC. They can say
there is another office, but not that the office is being changed
*TC- There will be no office, lets deal with the individuals
working, honorably. We can have lots of offices.
*Water-We need addresses, phone no.s, so somebody has to take
responsibility for being the central base for communications
Dave Massey wants a copy of the original 1988 council in Texas.
A videotape will be presented, so that the original consensus can
Thomas- this is the first he has heard of Carla's backstabbing-
"Honor is at question here- can TC come up with a good place for
an "honorable" solution to be attained
*Scotty- Practically, lots of legal actions will happen. That is
probably the honorable motivation behind the Texas family's
willingness to prosecute. Practically, people from regions should
come to DC for training and research before they embark on their
full blown Legaliason activities. We should support SELECTIVE
representatives from each region.
-Also, Scotty feels that this office needs to be strengthened and
supported in the continuing actions after Aug 4; hopefully we
will be having hearings in- Congress. A focal point here is
needed, because a variety of actions, and access to major
channels is here.
*Little White Owl has a point of info about where we stand
legally in Texas: Filed against "Rainbow Natian· she feels that
this means we have been declared a sovereign nation by this
precedent. Also, the Rainbow Family of Living Light has non-
profit status as a legitimately recognized church,
*Thomas commented that in the US vs Rainbow Family case, we were
referred to as aka R,F, of Living light, R.F. Tribal Council,
Rainbow Nation, etc,
*Scotty wants everybody to know that at the Kentucky vision
council, a new family/tribe was born, called the Turtle Island
*Dan D is very upset about the Alabama consensus, and is not the
*Scotty feels the consensus is invalid because there was no main
council consensus, but Little White Owl is still going to be
taking files, so what will E. Texas be responsible for? Where
will the phone, address be located?
*Dave says receipt for copies will be given, and that at that
time responsibilities will be assigned. No deadlines can be
missed , or responsibilities blown off.
* Pieman agrees that there should be other satellite offices.
*Thomas- never talked about LL office ever only DC office talked
*Zeus relevant advice: If FS succeeds , passes regs, and don't
agree that 4 gatherings next year will help relieve the land to
lower impact, Zeus will push having one gathering with 50,000 to
*TC: The problem is fear of deceit. If we continue this, we will
split ourselves up. Let's not do this.
*Dave- We either hang together or hang separately. Let's move the
archives around the country so that more folks will be educated.
*Water says he will help Nachedoshus folks to get organized. Still
is on Legaliason, even though he's not listed.
*Dave thinks other volunteers should go to Nachedoshus.
*Little White Owl's vision is that there be a flow of people
between Texas and DC to help them implement happenings in DC to
happen in Texas, Wants ONE OFFICE, 2 LOCATIONS, ONE LEGALIASON, 2
[or more] CREWS. Believes that everybody on the list is
responsible to plug in and that would help keep the Feds
* Ray suggests that the Texas office can focalize the entire SW,
and organize/lobby with groups out there, and DC can continue
it's info gathering, etc.
*Scotty says to network have satellites, we must be flexible to
shift resources where they're needed. Suggests that areas west of
Mississippi be handled by East Texas.
*Forrest- we should have offices in all regions
*Water- DC has been acting as a clearinghouse up till now.
Additional crew will be taking on these responsibilities.
Suggests monitoring regs in DC, and doing mailings by the Texas
crew, creating one more clearinghouse.
*Beth- Clarification of E.Texas position must be made, since an
entirely different position has been presented today. She
requests that the E. Texas family restate their new idea of what
their responsibilities would be and present it on paper.
******* LWO- A clear understanding/delineation will be made when
she leaves about the "New Reality".
*Thomas- about dynasties, empires- he knows his own motives. He's
keeping family informed, giving his opinions about the regulatory
process, is acting as eyes and ears of the family about the
regulations. Structuring some organization/agreement sounds off
base to him. He will continue to do what he's doing, has no
expectations of what people will do- Anybody who's interested,
should help w/ action & we should only agree to WORK TOGETHER FOR
THE BENEFIT OF ALL.
*Dan D.: To clarify, IT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE DO, NOT WHO THEY ARE
THAT SHOWS WHAT THEIR FOCUS is, MOTIVATIONS, ETC.
*Scotty- There was a difference between -bilateral office and the sense
earlier discussed and what emerged... Is confused about whether
the outcome was to have a bilateral office, or whether it's
proposed that there be many diffuse regional offices, of which
Texas would be a one part,
*Water: E.Tex people are attempting to take some of the load off
of the DC crew.
*Scotty-If that's okay,this doesn't preclude other regions being
included. Proposes that we look to where incidents will occur, and steer
our resources toward that/those areas.
*Thomas thinks that if the load really being taken off, somebody
would do something, like setting up a Nat'l Office,
*Water says that's not what's being said, that an adjunct office
is being suggested. Says that steps ARE being taken in that
representative has been sent to find out how they can take the
load off of DC crew.
*Thomas has concerns..interrupted by..
*Rev Dr X wants to help
*Bill B- Midatlantic family supports DC Crew. Thomas keeps their
region informed. Focalizers throughout the year need to let their
folks know. Fells that one office will facilitate clear & concise
mailings, and that one office is needed to keep mailings coming
from & to DC.
*Ray- as Legaliason, we can assemble all groups-this affects
*Dave-files about past gatherings/ii fnfo, has subjective opinion
on what was relevant. No main council has been held about this
yet. Copies available in the office. Table of contents will be
added. 6 copies will be added.
*Scotty suggests selling the copies at face value
*Water proposes his consensus gets accepted in response to July 6
consensus to change the site of the LL office,
*No family council on-site consensus regarding legaliason
*We are A leqaliason council, not THE council
*Beth- Until E.Texas LL has restated their position, but WILL
shouldn't we wait until they do to assign duties/make decisions
*Dan D.-This council recognizes the consensus agreement to be a
*Thomas- Amendment "consider their recommendation, reject it,
and decide that Legaliason is whoever is doing the work."
*Dave- We have no authority to reject things consensed Julyl-7
*Water-never consensed, since no presentation to Family council
July 6, so only a recommendation recognizes as such.
* Zeus-amendment/recommendation/block- Reject July 6th agreement
to move office but acknowledge recommendation
*Water-interpret as you wish, but continue Legaliason councils.
*Ray- there is no Legaliason office, only crews
*Thomas -4 points-agrees only to keep working against all regs.
Does not agree with the other 3:
-to establish a Nat'l office in Texas
-All efforts be focused in Texas
-DC Crew will informs Family of the change
*TC feels we can't make this decision for the faaily,
*Mateo- abuse of council process to waste so much time.
LWO-form honor-with 3 sites, nobody can consense here about
anything, We have to be very careful how we affect thousands of
people. Let's be clear, concise, not dictatorial or wishy washy.
*Kashira- The consensus in Alabama is not valid is not
binding & so therefore is not recognized by this council
*Zeus Recommends that since I Nat'ls, council in Alabama not
binding, only ours here is.
SO: THE CONSENSUS reached was: since the consensus reached by the Alabama legaliason crew did not follow Family process, it is
merely a recommendation. As an ongoing Legaliason Council in DC
in August 3rd, 1993, it is our responsibility to figure out what
has to be done and plan how to do it, We call for all regional
Legaliason councils and crews to continue and intensify their
MAGIC HAT RAISED $55.00 for photocopies
Legaliason Bank for 1996 (and others can be added by mutual
agreement of others as well as existing bank council) DC Crew
needs to be the bank. Three members are Steven Botscheller,
Thomas, and Chicken.
Sherby has some comments on this situation that she faxed to the
office in DC Aug 3th, 1993:
"Dear brothers & sisters,
RE: The Alabama LL consensus- the consensus process allows
consensus to be changed at the next assembly of the people.
The Alabama - July 5 LL Consensus is only good for those people
present at that time and of course is subject to change.
However, the list of options is still viable for those of us who
consensed and useful as record for the family. Don't throw out
the baby with the bathwater. I do not think the list either of
Legaliason Council or list of options was meant to be exclusive.
So- for the record here it is. I would always have expected
whether in attendance ,at the Alabama National or at the Kentucky
uprising -so- what's the problem?"
As we move into phase two of dealing with the Forest Service
regulations- Let us work in solidarity.
Wish I could be there-Love, Flying Heart.
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